EAsy and their mmofps games

[Ceppana]

To start this, I hate how EAsy (not EA) handles their mmofps games. I am not talking about the BF series, I am talking about Battlefield Play4free and Battlefield Heroes. Battlefield Heroes is still playable and enjoyable, but I don't know how long it will take EAsy to mess up things in BFH. They mess the things up in BF:P4F, december 20th the day of nerf (robbery, as some people like to say in the P4F forums).

To people, who don't know what happened in that game. EAsy removed veteran and elite weapons due "imbalance" issues. That was fine, we got legacy attachements which were on par or atleast close to it. People could get close to old veteran/elite weapon with the newest attachement patch on 1st December (if i remember right). A blue (a GM, name comes from forum replyes blue backround) stated that we wouldnt lose our weapons and promised us the legacy attachements which would bring the gun handling close to original performance. Little we knew at that point that it was a blatant lie.

We were happily playing until December 20th, the day of doom. The day the paying customers were screwed over by removing legacy attachements because they were too powerful and to balance the game. We got fancy "weapon name"+3 weapons. That means we got a weapon everyone could get with exception of 2 more damage than normal weapons. I could have, and to be honest almost everyone would have been happy with the extra damage, but they increased the recoil of weapons to state where it was almost impossible to aim or hit anything further than 20 feet away. Second thing is they reduced dramatically the ammunitions from weapons, ok that would be fine, except in the game it doesnt quite work. There is a class which can replenish ammo, but you can run behind assault (ammo refill box user) whole match yelling "I need ammo, I need ammo" and still not getting any. That point you just suicided just to get your ammo back.

Here is a few reasoning we have gotten from EAsy representatives why they removed our weapons and nerfed pretty much eavery weapon.

1. To slow the gameplay, why would they do that when they (EAsy) like to say its fast action mmofps game, so in what point they decided it was good to slow the pace of the game? Was it when the people wanting fast pace action were dried out of their money so they just moved to target audience who likes slow paced games? You might ask what is slow paced gameplay for them, 40-50 minute game rounds. I would fell asleep after 30 mins.

2. They didnt like people getting 70+ kill streaks, comon how often did that happen? I never saw anyone going over 40-50 kills without the overpowered boosters they sell (boosters are nerfed now though). There were some legendary good people playing with 70+ kill streaks, but even them didnt do those every match and best thing is they did it without legacy weapons.

3. It is more fair to newcoming players, are they dumb? That ridiculous recoil affects same way for newcomers and old players. I don't see a point in lessening ammunition either, how is that fair to have lower ammo? How is it overpowered to have good amount of ammo? The damage other hand, yes I agree it should have been toned down a bit. Although their "+3" does contradict the damage argument in some sense.


To be honest, they have tried and failed to compensate ( no refunds) the paying customers they screwed over. They did listen some of our suggest but ignored most of them. They added "a few" more bullets, which isnt enough still around one fifth of the ammunitions you hade pre-nerf. For example i had 12, yes freaking 12 bullets on my M95 sniper rifle. So how are we supposed to get more bullets on recon style gameplay? We run to frontlines where the assaultas are then back to where we were in backlines to do more recon stuff? Thats if the greedy assaults even threw a ammo box or we didnt get killed while running to get ammo. Second thing they did and which should have been done only, they nerfed their boosters. That was good but still not enough.

I might sound a spoiled brat asking so much, but hey I payed 20USD for a PERMANENT weapon, which I assumed stays the same permanently, not as long as EAsy likes it to last. Some epople even wanted to sue EAsy for what they did. I am not a lawyer but how I see it and understood from DSA( Digital Service Agreement) that they can modify,remove and tweak items in THEIR (EAsy) inventory. So nerfing the weapons we bought would be illeagal, since its our inventory already. Meaning they could do the changes on the shop items, not the ones what we bought already. Anyway I didn't and refused to go that lawsuit train. Three simple reasons, it could take years to pass the lawsuit, it would take alot of real money to get there and I found cheaper and better way to protest EAsy. I just stopped supporting EAsy once and for all, no money for them anymore. I have been "sober" from BF:P4F for almost 2 months now, since 21st December 2011. I am not addicted to it anymore and found out much better ways to spend my money than supporting those liars and thieves.

Lately I saw a forum post where a player, not a developer, found out where the developers went wrong with the legacy attachements. The stats were clearly stated how they had been lazy not to check and double check their code. It was clear even for me who doesnt understand anything from coding. They could have fixed this fiasco really fast, but they decided to ignore the thread.

Oh one more funny thing is, which proves that they were just lying to us and robbing our money, that they did the nerf for the balance of the game, yet they resently added permanent attachements which brings the guns back to where they were at legacy attachement phase. So now they are making us to pay again for the weapons we were supposedly to have permanently. It could be done, but not with those ridiculous prices they have on them. People are also sick and tired of the staff members on forums due to their attitude towards players. You can read between the lines of theirs that they are naming the paying customers as dumb and ignorant.


So whats the point of this thread? Well, it is just a little warning. EAsy might do this to BFH too in some point and to any other their mmofps releases. I am not saying you shouldnt try BF:P4F, it is still great game (in theory) but the management and customer service is really poor. I might have forgotten something I wanted to add, but I do it later if i forgot. Feel free to share your own insight of the games I mentioned or the company itself. For me EAsy lost its credibility with this fiasco they did.


Ex-loyal customer of EA
Ceppana

[WildStyle*]

Yeah they fcked up and they know it they just bloody greedy and thats all, they probably were getting owned so they decided to cut everything dow so they can at least see where they are being shot from xD ... I could to 45/5 with a shotgun...

[AznTechie]

I don't see how you buying anything with real money makes you the owner of it in a digital market. You're merely paying for a license, to which the terms and boundaries of said license may change without your permission. It's the same with digital distribution. You are not the property holder of whatever you bought, but rather paid to use something that's a part of their "inventory" (as you called it), albeit for an indefinite amount of time, and therefore they're technically allowed to do anything they wish with their own property. It may not be the smartest thing to do, or would it provide the greatest satisfaction with their audience, but at the same time, it's not like they're bound to not changing anything, either.

And on that note, I'll just go play BF3 instead.

[Ceppana]

Originally Posted by AznTechie

I don't see how you buying anything with real money makes you the owner of it in a digital market. You're merely paying for a license, to which the terms and boundaries of said license may change without your permission. It's the same with digital distribution. You are not the property holder of whatever you bought, but rather paid to use something that's a part of their "inventory" (as you called it), albeit for an indefinite amount of time, and therefore they're technically allowed to do anything they wish with their own property. It may not be the smartest thing to do, or would it provide the greatest satisfaction with their audience, but at the same time, it's not like they're bound to not changing anything, either.

And on that note, I'll just go play BF3 instead.

You are right, although its not just the fact that they changed the weapons, but its the fact they lied, did false advertisement (weapon would last forever as it is), ignored majority of forum users (active closed beta testers and people who had played for long time), ignored the fact that the weapons werent actually overpowered and fail customer support.

The thing what made people angry was that they tempered with weapons that were jsut fine and people got used to fight those weapon users rather than toning down their boosters (money maker, since you couldnt buy them permanent). One good example was recon's Tier 3 skill "Mortar strike". With booster that skill turned into artillery strike instead of mortar strike, damage was insane, recon got 70-80 kills/ 2-5 deaths each fight, insane splash radius and also really low cooldown (spammable skill). Same with engineers RPG booster, it was used mostly on infantry since it was easy kills due insane splash radius.

For me I wasnt really mad about the weapon change actually, I got mad because lack of customer support, constant lying and ignoring players. Also lately the attitude they answer to players in forums was the last straw.

I had also BF3 in order, cancelled it right after this shenanigans happened. I know also one person won't make a difference or even a few hundreds forum users. Thing is the mayhem that happened, server orders got withdrawn, available servers with good protection against hackers got reduced and alot of old players leaving and forgetting the game, this all might have shown some impact on the EAsy but we don't know since we don't have the data.

Someone actually called EA (not EAsy) customer support and get refund what happened (9000+ battlefunds, which is around 50 Euros), so I think they realised in EA that EAsy dun goof'd. I can't be bothered to call EA support since, I doubt the refunds will be that great if any at all. Since im from Europe the call would be quite expensive also.

Anyway I have passed all this drama and moved on to other games. BFH is still a great game, I just hope same wont happen to BFH that happened to BF:P4F.

[Buzzcut]

It's just another way for them to try to make money. They took our stuff away and expect us to buy it back in the form of attachments. They're greedy so I don't play anymore.